Fragments 2.

[09.04.06. 15:27] nyúl: these exercises are really important for our group. the ritual of a group brings a group together, gives the group spirit. another thing that brings groups together are catastrophes, but as we dont want to throw one of us in front of a car. we really have to spend active time with each other. where we trust and where we are not in our logical borders and restrictments. the ghosts come from the inconscient, as well as a creativity, as well as any productive creating force, for me the term of phantasma is also fitting.  there is some kind of struggle between you and our spectres. the fight between dr. jekyll and mr. hide. (btw we should see the perverts guide to cinema) . and mr.hide should really be a part of pneuma. and we only find him, if we give him a chance different from presenting him always dr.jekyll....  when do we meet?

[09.04.06. 15:30] rebeka rokifeller: bit after 5

[09.04.06. 15:31] nyúlszakszervezet: it is a shame, but I haven't seen mr. hide yet

[09.04.06. 15:31] nyúlszakszervezet: do you have the pervert's guide?

[09.04.06. 15:32] rebeka rokifeller: what is that perverts guide?

[09.04.06. 15:33] nyúlszakszervezet: zizek's film on cinema

[09.04.06. 15:33] rebeka rokifeller: oh, i thought some pervert exercizes (wasntme)

Fragments

[09.04.06. 1:04] rebeka rokifeller: ok, and here is the dilthey line i told i guess, szellemtörténet, we had to read these things at the uni... it is again in german, i dont find the english version http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geisteswissenschaft

[09.04.06. 1:06] nyúl: :)

[09.04.06. 12:02] nyúlszakszervezet: a rather theoretical, maybe even not so important detail to our research:

the distinction between PHANTASY and PHANTASMA. phantasy= an identifyable function of imagining things. a képesség/faehigkeit, which is in all of us and we can develop it and exercise it.

More interesting is maybe phantasma (Lacan used it a lot), which is the representation of an object in our mind. it is a phantasy but it is also the way this object really appears in the structural order of the world, so that means it is also reality. or more precisely the imaginary as part of the reality. so for me for example it is not so much my phantasies, which are interesting, but rather the phantasmas we leave in.

I think in our project the most obvious phantasma is the air bank/or ghost bank: it exists, because it brings the whole project into move: we open a space, we create a kind of theory, we make a performance etc. but it is not just a phantasy, an imaginary structure or so, because for example the way the credit sytem funtions or the way we negotiate with our ghosts are real examples for an air bank. and also if people get together and share things and thoughts it is also a real example for the same structure.